Jesus, Yeshua, or Iesous?


Until this week I had no idea that this was a controversial issue. However, with the rise of churches trying to get in touch with the Hebrew roots of Christianity it is becoming more and more popular to hear people pronounce the Jesus in a Hebrew/Aramaic form. Some people (mostly KJVO types) believe that this is from the devil. Thus, here is my analysis of the whole issue.

(If I am missing something please let me know in the comments!)

Here are the things that need discussed. 1) Language of the NT, 2) Language of the Hebrew people (Jesus was Hebrew), and 3) how languages are transliterated.


septuagint1. Greek: the language of the New Testament

I realize that not everyone knows that the New Testament (NT) was written in Greek but it should be used as our starting point. Not only was the NT written in Greek but nearly ALL of the Old Testament (OT) quotations in the NT were taken from a Greek copy of the OT, called the Septuagint. In Bible scholar land its known as the LXX.

To be clear on this issue, Greek was the language of the land. It was the language of the common people. It was likely the language that Jesus predominantly spoke with his followers. I say that because the Bible specifically states when Jesus spoke in something other than Greek. (Example: John 20:16) So, it stands to reason that Jesus probably spent most of his time speaking Greek like the rest of the common people.

Even though Greek was so common that Paul quotes almost exclusively from the Greek OT, both Paul and Jesus could both speak multiple other languages. Jesus and Paul both spoke Hebrew and we know this from the NT itself because they read from the Hebrew scrolls in the synagogues. We k now that Jesus and Paul could communicate with the Romans so perhaps they even knew Latin (that I am less sure on).

Why does any of this matter? Because the Greek name of Jesus was not Jesus…..it was Iesous (Ιησούς). This in English would be ee-ay-sooce’ according to the Strong’s Concordance. I personally don’t use the Strong’s much but it’s helpful for pronunciation at times and it’s easily accessible on any device. The question is, then, how would have Jesus pronounced it? Would it be in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? (Certainly not English as Jesus)

To answer that let us look to our next major point.


 


 

Language transforming over time
Semetic Language transforming over time

2. The language of the Hebrew or Jewish people

We know that Jesus and most of Judea were Jewish. The Jews descended from the Hebrew tribe of Judah (and the remnant of Israel to the north). So, all the Jews were Hebrew.

This does not mean that they all spoke Hebrew at the time of Jesus and the gospels. But the NT does state on many occasions common Jews engaging in the Hebrew language. (Luke 4:16-20, Mark 7:34, Matt.5:26; Mark 14:30)

Yet we also see much of the Aramaic in the OT and NT (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34, Mark 5:41) In addition, many of our oldest OT manuscripts are littered with Aramaic. (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Daniel 2:4-7:28; Jeremiah 10:11)

Why do the Jews speak both Hebrew and Aramaic?

Kandahar-bil
Bilingual inscription of King Ashoka

This is because the Jews were once taken captive by and lived with Aramaic speaking peoples for many generations. At one point Aramaic was the predominant language of the ANE. The last national super power to be in place before the Greek were the Persians and those who spoke Aramaic. This has been true for all of time. The dominant powers tend to control the language.

In fact, the Greeks and the Aramaic speaking people also had a clash of language. Many texts had to be translated once the Greeks took over. Thus, the Jews is Jesus’ day had to know multiple languages and often there were blurred lines where one stopped and another started.


 


how we got jesus from joshua
How we got Jesus from Joshua

3. How languages are transliterated

Not every language has a 1 to 1 comparison in its alphabet. Therefor, not every word in every langauge is going to have a direct transliteration. And just to make this clear up front, a transliteration is not the same as a translation.

A translation is when two languages both posses a word with the same meaning but different word. Just like how in English “road” is road or a path and in Spanish a path is “camino”. If Spanish did not have an equivalent word to road they could choose to adopt the English word and then they would transliterate it into Spanish by spelling it out phonetically.

We can observe this happening in our Greek NT when the name Joshua is transliterated from Hebrew to Greek (Luke 3:29, Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8). Likewise, the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament) uses Ἰησοῦs for the name of Joshua.

So, what does this mean for Jesus? The original name for Jesus was likely Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă’ in Hebrew). I say this because He was Jewish and both his parents were Jewish. Even though they adopted multiple languages it does not mean that they would naturally adopt another culture’s names. This was not a Jewish thing to do.

In addition, in Matthew 1:21 the angel said to Joseph:

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21 NIV)

What this tells me is that whatever name the angel had in mind, its root definition would have to do with saving or delivering. The name Joshua is a shortened form of יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yehoshu’a) meaning “YAHWEH is salvation.” But would not the name Iesous also carry the same meaning since the culture had already adopted it to be the equivalent of Yehoshu’a? I believe so. I think using the name Iesous in the first century would have been far more common among the common people. Though, more so for the gentiles than the Jews.

 



Conclusion

What should we call him today? I am not sure it matters if you use Jesus or Joshua or Yeshua or Yehoshua. Everyone speaks a different language so I would suggest that they speak the name of our Lord in what ever it translates into in your particular language.

If you are really bent on historicity and accuracy I would go with Yeshua or Iesous.

 


For further reading on this subject you can visit these links.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/markdroberts/2010/07/examining-the-biblical-truth-that-jesus-spoke-hebrew.html

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/what-language-did-jesus-speak-why-does-it-matter/

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Jesus_Hebrew/jesus_hebrew.html

http://www.ntgreek.org/answers/nt_written_in_greek.htm

http://bible-truths.com/enigmaOfGod.htm


 

8 thoughts on “Jesus, Yeshua, or Iesous?”

  1. Ἰησοῦς, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, IESOUS were “NEVER” pronounced as “EA-SOUS.”

    With the Ancient Greek letter called the “iot/jot” if you have a consonant after the letter “iot/jot” the name has the letter I sound. If you have a vowel after the letter “iot/jot” the name has the letter J sound. By rule, the O is silent. Therefore, when the apostles spoke to the CHRIST, HE heard the name JESUS, not “EA-SOUS.”

    YAHWEY/YAHUAH/YAH/YEHOVAH/JEHOVAH/YESHUA/YAHSHUA…..The negro~Idumean/Edomite Tetragrammaton ( י ה ו ה) Yud~He~Vav~He, YHVH, YHWH are all of the anti-CHRIST spirit.

    Saying there was no “J” until 500 years ago in the Greek is a ancient negro~Babylonian/Edomite/Idumean/Masoretic/
    Ashkenazi Jewish LIE. Before and during the CHRIST’S ministry on the earth, there were 10+ alphabets that had & used the letter “J” before the Ancient Greek texts. The Enochian alphabet, ancient Phoenician, Daggers, Malachim, Pictish, Tengwar, Futhark, Anglo/Roman, Mason/Rosicrucian uncorrupted Ogham, and more . There are many different symbols that represent the letter “J” sound.

    (Deuteronomy 5:11) (ALPHA & OMEGA BIBLE 2021) “YOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF JESUS, YOUR THEOS (The Alpha & Omega) IN VAIN, FOR JESUS YOUR THEOS (The Alpha & Omega) WILL CERTAINLY NOT ACQUIT HIM THAT TAKES HIS NAME IN VAIN.

    “THE SACRED NAME?”

    So what is it? In 1446 BC, in the Ancient Biblical Greek text, what did God the FATHER say to ADAMIC MOSES at the “Burning Bush?” (Exodus 3:14) “And God said unto ADAMIC MOSES,

    “Είμαι αυτό που Είμαι;” (“I AM THAT I AM”),

    THUS SHALT THOU SAY UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, the “Είμαι” (I AM) hath sent me to you. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of ADAMIC ABRAHAM , the God of ADAMIC ISAAC, and the God of ADAMIC JACOB surname ISRAEL hath sent me unto you: this is MY name for ever, & this is my memorial unto all ADAM’S GENERATIONS.”

    So what was HIS Holy & True name?

    In the Alexandrian dialect, common Attic, Hellenistic or Ancient Biblical Greek name Ἰησοῦς or ΙΗΣΟΥΣ or IESOUS was “NEVER” pronounced as “EA-SOUS.” Whether the name looks like Ἰησοῦς, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, IESOUS, HIS name is universal. HIS name is JESUS! Ἰησοῦς is the CREATOR God and HEAVENLY FATHER of the Old Covenant (JEsaias 9:6), and the name of the CHRIST, and the name of the GODHEAD in the New Covenant. (John 1:14) JESUS CHRIST is God the FATHER incarnate. God in a human body. This is how JESUS is the EVERLASTING to EVERLASTING without the letter J until the J was invented in the Greek text 600 years ago.

    In Koine Greek text, the name of Jesus Christ is the same for God the FATHER. ΘΣ (Θεός,- God), ΙΣ (Ἰησοῦς-Jesus), ΧΣ (Χριστός – Christ), (ΣΗΡ-Savior), ΚΣ (Κύριος – Lord), ΥΣ (Υἱός – Son). Unbelievers claim the Holy name of Jesus comes from Zeus. Seeing the names in their original GREEK text side by side shows the truth.
    Ἰησοῦς
    Ζεύς!

    (Genesis 1:1) “In the beginning (Ἰησοῦς) (“I AM THAT I AM”) created the Heavens and the Earth” (Exodus 20:3) YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS (NAMES) BEFORE ME!” The LORD’S name is Ἰησοῦς NOT ( י ה ו ה). (JEsaias 9:6) “For to Us a Child is born, to Us a Son is given; & the government shall be upon His shoulder & His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting FATHER, Prince of Peace. Ἰησοῦς. (JEsaias 45:18 VOICE) “I AM the LORD; the ETERNAL ONE. There is no other God that exists.” (Colossians 2:9) FOR IN Ἰησοῦς NOT ( י ה ו ה) – DWELLETH THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD! JESUS THE FATHER, JESUS THE CHRIST/SON, JESUS THE HOLY SPIRIT. (John 1:14) “AND THE WORD Ἰησοῦς NOT ( י ה ו ה) BECAME FLESH AND DWELLED AMONG US.” (1 ADAM & EVE 14:4) “When I (Ιησούς) shall come down from Heaven, & shall become flesh of your descendants.” (Revelation 1:8) “Ἰησοῦς NOT ( י ה ו ה) IS THE ALPHA & THE OMEGA. THE ALMIGHTY GOD. (Mark:‪12:29‬) THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS: “HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD, Ἰησοῦς NOT ( י ה ו ה).

    (Matthew 5:48) God the FATHER is PERFECT! God the FATHER’S name is universal. HIS name was, is, and has always been
    JESUS CHRIST (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ, ‘Ιησούς Χριστός)! (John 1:14) JESUS CHRIST is God the FATHER incarnate. (Psalm 148:13) (AMP) “ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ, ‘Ιησούς Χριστός alone is exalted and supreme!”

    If you have worshiped the names of Yahweh, Yahuah, Yahshua, Yahushua, Yahuwa, Yahawa, Yahawashi, Yehuah, Yeshua, Yehovah, Jehovah, or “EA SOUS” you have been worshiping the antichrist spirit. (Acts 2:38) “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS CHRIST (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ, ‘Ιησούς Χριστός) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 4:10,12) “By the (ONE) name JESUS CHRIST (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ, ‘Ιησούς Χριστός) of NAZARETH, there is no other name under Heaven given among ADAMIC [WHITE ISRAELITE CHRISTIANS] whereby [WE], (not spiritual Israel, not the apostate church filled with the descendants of Cain) “MUST” be saved.”

    (Titus 2:13) Jesus Christ is OUR GREAT God and Savior. (Revelation 22:13) “I AM the ALPHA & OMEGA. (Revelation 1:8) “I AM the ALPHA & OMEGA, the ALMIGHTY.” (John 1:14) the CHRIST is God the FATHER incarnate. (JESAIAS 9:6) JESUS is the FATHER & CREATOR.

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    • There is a lot going on here so I will split it up into sections. Your comments will be in bold and I will respond in regular italic font.

      Ἰησοῦς, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, IESOUS were “NEVER” pronounced as “EA-SOUS.”
      I never said that it was pronounced “EA-SOUS”. I quoted the Strong’s Concordance with the pronunciation being “ee-ay-sooce’”. However, I agree that today we understand the iota+vowel diphthong better than we did in 1890.

      With the Ancient Greek letter called the “iot/jot” if you have a consonant after the letter “iot/jot” the name has the letter I sound. If you have a vowel after the letter “iot/jot” the name has the letter J sound. By rule, the O is silent. Therefore, when the apostles spoke to the CHRIST, HE heard the name JESUS, not “EA-SOUS.”
      The more accurate pronunciation is Ye-sous. The iota diphthong does indeed resemble a hard I sound which is similar to the Y, not the modern J sound.

      YAHWEY/YAHUAH/YAH/YEHOVAH/JEHOVAH/YESHUA/YAHSHUA…..The negro~Idumean/Edomite Tetragrammaton ( י ה ו ה) Yud~He~Vav~He, YHVH, YHWH are all of the anti-CHRIST spirit.
      This isn’t really on topic but it’s also an unprovable statement. It’s like saying you’re Satanic. I can’t really prove such a statement because we have no benchmark by with to measure whether or not a person is or is not a Satanist.

      Saying there was no “J” until 500 years ago in the Greek is a ancient negro~Babylonian/Edomite/Idumean/Masoretic/
      Ashkenazi Jewish LIE. Before and during the CHRIST’S ministry on the earth, there were 10+ alphabets that had & used the letter “J” before the Ancient Greek texts. The Enochian alphabet, ancient Phoenician, Daggers, Malachim, Pictish, Tengwar, Futhark, Anglo/Roman, Mason/Rosicrucian uncorrupted Ogham, and more . There are many different symbols that represent the letter “J” sound.

      This seems more on topic so it deserves a proper address. Let us address the languages you listed

      1. Enochian alphabet
      i. This is a fake language from the 1500s and it does not include a J sound.
      2. ancient Phoenician
      i. Ancient Phoenician was the base for photo-Hebrew and contains no J sound.
      3. Daggers
      i. This is another made up language by popular Satanist Alester Crawley. It was developed as a cypher in the 19th century.
      4. Malachim
      iii. This is another made-up language from the 16th century and mirrors the Hebrew sounds which don’t include a J.
      5. Pictish
      i. This is at least a real language but it’s Scottish in origin and it’s irrelevant to the topic.
      6. Tengwar
      i. At this point either you are punking me or you’ve been punked so hard that you forgot that the internet exists. Tengwar is the language of the elves in the Tolkien books.
      7. Futhark
      i. This is a germanic language so it’s irrelevant.
      8. Anglo/Roman
      i. Also not a Greek language or relative.
      9. Ogham
      i. This is yet another language unrelated to Greek (Irish) and it has no J sound.

      In Koine Greek text, the name of Jesus Christ is the same for God the FATHER.
      Not a single ancient Greek manuscript exists that equates the name of Jesus and God.

      I could go on to address the rest of this incorrect rambling but it’s a waste of time.

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    • There is always the same problem with native English people who think that their raped English “J” is somehow the correct pronunciation. Back in the old English they pronounced the “J” correctly with a “ye” sound, because it simply comes from the root-letter “i” (which is correctly pronounced “eeeh”, and not “aayyy”). A “j” is just a modern variation of an “i”, which is why it looks like it with a little hook on the bottom. As “v” and “w” are variants of the root-letter “u” – you even call it a “double U”.
      They spoke Jesus/Iesous certainly not in a modern English tongue that rapes the “j” sound, pronouncing it like “dgee-sus”, it’s not a “dgee”, it’s a “ye” sound, ye-sooce. And it’s only weird for EFL people because English rapes the original vowels quite good.

      But you are right about the Edomites. “Jews” are not Israel, they come from Shelah, a Canaanite mixture. They are impure and not Israel in any biblical way. And literally all identification marks of the Israel PEOPLE in the bible, all prophesies and all attributes, fit only White Caucasian people, the very people that FOLLOWED their God Jesus Christ. (John 10:14, 27) He KNOWS His sheep, and His sheep FOLLOWED Him. I think God actually means what He says. Also with Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, which we are in right now, the centuries of complete antichrist destruction and chaos, everything is upside down. Edom became “the chosen people”, and the actual Israel became “gentiles”, which does NOT mean “non-“Jew””. As well as “goy”, these words mean “nation(s)”, the Greek word is “ethnos”, as in ethnicity, nation. God did not tell Abraham that He will make “goy” = non-“Jews” of him (in GENEsis 12:2 “And I will make of thee a great [goy], and I will bless thee…”. It’s complete retardation of modern Churchians to go along with these lies. “Jews” didn’t exist back then (except for the Canaanites and various other incestuous demon worshiping people), they are not a people, and they are most definitely not a pure line all the way back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. These 15 million mixed-race people are supposed to be “as sand on the sea” or “as the dust”, or “as the stars”, defending the Word of God, bringing the gospel and colonize and settle to the very “ends of the world”? Being a bread and butter type people (and NOT money changers/bankers)? Being a farming and shepherd kind of people? A milk and honey kind of people? I don’t think so. White people however fulfill every single identification mark of biblical Israel, because they ARE the true people from Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham – as in (I)Saac’sSons, Sachsen, Saxons, and our entire heraldry in Europe is Israelite tribes heraldry. And all the scattered tribes that went over the Caucasus in the millions and millions into Europe (that’s when all of the sudden the Germanic tribes show up “magically” out of “nowhere”), these and true Judahites were already made one in Christ, reunited, and got a new name; children of the living God, i. e. Christians. True genetic Israelite people ALL became Christians, following their very God and building Christian nations all over the place. To say that “Jews” (Edomites) who are blatantly Babylonian-occultists (talmud) are now waiting for “their messiah”, promised in the OT, is absolute HERESY against Jesus Christ. God ALREADY came and fulfilled, and reunited the lost tribes with Judah and Benjamin. There is no one coming for some 18th/19th/20th century LARPers and subversive antichrists.

      It really amazes me how people can read the bible and think that this has anything to do or correlates in any historical and genetic way with the people we call “Jews”, with their various mixed genetic make-ups, whose name would only refer to ONE (1) tribe of the TWELVE (12) tribes of Israel (Judah) – the world-stage is a complete MOUNTAIN of heresy today. And they are NOT EVEN JUDAH, as said; they are from a corrupted Canaanite lineage (as today’s genetic research proof); Judah and a Canaanite woman produced Shelah – and Edom mixed into this equation as well. They are Canaanite-Edomites, even in the old Jewish encyclopedia they state “Edom can be found in modern Jewry”, and “Jews” began to call themselves “Jews” or “Hebrews” only a couple of centuries ago, it’s a giant satanic identity twist/theft).
      They twisted everything, as satanists do, they reject Jesus Christ which makes them antichrist (1John 2:22). It’s simply amazing that Judeo-“Christians” (Churchians) dedicate their whole religious attitude towards these antichrists who are blatant ENEMIES of our Lord Jesus Christ. What a retarded time we are living in. They follow political correctness, they are not following the bible, they follow politicians. We are in the end times and the entire “official” world is ruled by these incestuous murderous antichrist lineage from Cain, they twisted and subverted almost everything.
      Here is more for anyone interested:
      https://ia601702.us.archive.org/11/items/weisman-charles-a.-who-is-esau-edom/Weisman%20Charles%20A.%20-%20Who%20is%20Esau-Edom.pdf

      https://archive.org/details/pdfy-hH7b-2yjyACdh8nO/mode/2up

      https://www.ageoflaodicea.com/hey-christian/
      https://youtu.be/DW7fzmcpAmY
      https://youtu.be/-_pBwpOoLo0

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      • I’ve never banned a person or deleted a comment before but you’re pretty close to being the first. The Israelites were not white and that kind of racism will not be tolerated here.

        “And literally all identification marks of the Israel PEOPLE in the bible, all prophesies and all attributes, fit only White Caucasian people, the very people that FOLLOWED their God Jesus Christ.”

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